I quit

July 29th, 2010 by excimer

That’s it. I am no longer a chemist.

So… yeah. Anyone wanna teach me geology or something?

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Comment by Big Bad Chem Daddy
2010-07-29 19:43:37

That was hilarious. Thank you for making my very nerdy day.

 
Comment by sam
2010-07-30 10:46:15

i would have thought the standard for “jock” would be lower for chemists.

Comment by unbalanced reaction
2010-07-31 08:34:54

Well, they were talking about organic…

Oooo….burn.

(just kidding…..sort of)

 
Comment by MP
2010-08-05 20:01:20

What about laser jocks?

 
 
Comment by LiqC
2010-07-30 16:18:59

The credits are fun, gotta love those alternative bond angles

 
Comment by TCCG
2010-08-02 00:47:21

LOL awesome!

 
Comment by Metalate
2010-08-02 19:07:22

The latest incarnation of the “NaH oxidant” debacle?

“Organocatalysis in Cross-Coupling: DMEDA-Catalyzed Direct C−H Arylation of Unactivated Benzene”
http://dx.doi.org/10.1021/ja103050x

[edited to fix link- Excimer]

Comment by excimer
2010-08-02 19:30:26

well that’s… weird. And, of course, no trace metal analysis of their starting materials (or stirbars). They better do a pretty thorough mechanistic study or prepare to get Buchwalded. Or, uh, Leadbeatered.

Comment by LiqC
2010-08-02 22:52:27

I’m not reading it. :)

 
Comment by IamSPHOS
2010-08-04 07:36:08

hmm….Paper was received by JACS editorial office in April and is just now online. Given the context of the paper and the long delay to publication it would appear a referee wanted additional experiments. Probably why that Kinetic Isotope Effect is in there. Dunno about this “Buchwalded” theory, since Fuk Yee is a former Buchwald post doc. Maybe the delay in publication was a fussy referee. Perhaps it was Steve…. Not a good week for Steve. Beller’s paper probably did not make him very happy

Comment by excimer
2010-08-04 08:58:33

“Buchwalded” was in the context of this paper. Let me explain.

In the crystallography community there is a guy, Richard Marsh, who essentially made his living pointing out errors in other people’s crystal structures- wrong space groups, wrong atom assignments, etc. To have one’s structure corrected by him in the literature was later termed getting “Marshed” and was a source of quite a bit of embarrassment (Marsh’s vigilance was the impetus for a lot of advancements in streamlining structure validation). I would like to see getting “Buchwalded” as synonymous with “reporting catalysis with one metal when in reality it’s by trace contaminants” but I can dream…

Comment by IAMSPHOS
2010-08-04 13:35:26

Don’t get me wrong. I like the phrase and many have been Buchwalded. He more or less forced the Ang. Chem. Paper with Bölm and Bölm’s people came to the US to oversee the experiments because Steve suspected for years that trace copper was the actual catalyst not the iron whether from stirrers or spatulas. And I am convinced that John Hartwig went to UIUC not because of the dying organic chemistry at Yale and upgrade of the move but simply because Connecticut was way to close to Steve.

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Comment by Jack Bauer
2010-08-02 20:55:38

Why does that paper have 9 authors on it? Seems a tad ridiculous.

Comment by Jos Pros
2010-08-04 09:44:02

Typical Chinese thing: Oh, Ping, Pong and Peng are almost ready to graduate, but still need a paper. Ow, no problem, we’ll just ad them here!
See this a lot on papers that are copublished between our group and Chinese groups. Three people here (one doc, one post-doc and PI), paper goes to China to do one measurement, seven additional names on paper…

Comment by IamSPHOS
2010-08-04 22:00:28

LOL. Typical Chinese thing? Not sure which school you’re at, guy, but “Ping, Pong, and Peng” are usually working their asses off while everyone else is checking the latest lolz cats are awesome video on youtube, updating facebook statuses or running bullshit TLCs to make it seem like they are actually doing something. There are two correspondence authors on the paper, and each of those PIs has grad students. Why is it so ridiculous for that amount of people on the paper? No one says a thing when the x-ray people will get put on a paper for giving you 50 or less % probability of your configuration, or that one NMR guy that did a proton array for you that you could have done yourself in five minutes for your “mechanistic study.”

Comment by excimer
2010-08-04 22:35:34

No one says a thing when the x-ray people will get put on a paper for giving you 50 or less % probability of your configuration

Shitty crystals = shitty data. Period. Especially if you’re at MIT; you have no right to complain about your crystallographer. I happen to like him.

Too many people (and by “people” I mean “organic chemists”) have no respect for crystallography. It is HARD. Especially when said “people” can’t grow good crystals worth a damn. Getting shitty data takes just as long as, if not longer than, getting really good data.

/rant

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Comment by John Fetzer
2010-08-12 10:10:41

Organickers do not give much credit to anyone who helps, but was not involved in the synthesis. Someone who purifies a product through schromatography or precipitation or whatever or someone else who does key characterization spectroscopically, might get an acknowledgement. When job-searching time comes, all those organickers are experts in crystallography, HPLC, NMR, whatever because they know what someone could do.

 
Comment by IamSPHOS
2010-09-02 17:30:13

Oh, I see. So, if you had to estimate, how much of crystal data reported do you believe to be 100% true? If the crystallographer grows the crystal, fine go on the paper. Why should the crystallographer go on the paper if I grow the crystal and said crystallographer is not a grad student, but a paid faculty for the facility? Does the NMR tech go on every paper because they updated the bestshims file?

 
Comment by excimer
2010-09-02 18:33:25

The difference between the NMR tech and the crystallographer is that the NMR tech doesn’t (necessarily) interpret your data. The crystallographer does interpret your data- a solved crystal structure is a best-fit model based on the diffraction of X-rays through your crystal, and this is nontrivial; the pretty picture you get is the culmination of a hell of a lot of work. Crystallography is, in fact, science, whether most organic chemists believe it or not.

The authors of a paper are ultimately responsible for the quality and interpretation of the data presented therein. If a paper has a crystal structure which has issues that come up in peer review, the authors and the authors ALONE have to justify the data. If none of the authors of said paper can do this and have to go to the crystallographer for interpretation of the data the crystallographer collected, then the crystallographer damn well better be an author on that paper; otherwise, it is a breach of scientific ethics to withhold authorship on select individuals. In other words, if you, as the scientist and co-author, can’t verify the crystal data, then SOMEONE ELSE on that paper must be able to.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Japper
2010-08-14 11:42:40

I have been out of the loop dealing life issues. What ever happened with that NaH oxidation paper?

 
 
Comment by Japper
2010-08-14 11:47:39

Never mind. Just found the retraction notice.

 
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