favorite solvent? maybe. ;)

September 24th, 2008 by Ψ*Ψ

It’s been awhile since I posted a picture, hasn’t it?  Here’s one for you:

THE FLASK IS LAVA

This is a reaction I’m running in conc sulfuric.  There’s something about using that stuff as a solvent that makes me feel like a total badass.  (Thus the reason I also love Sandmeyer chemistry.)  Doesn’t hurt that the starting material is crazy-fluorescent, either!  :D

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Comment by Liquidcarbon
2008-09-24 21:00:50

perylene brickdust?

Comment by Ψ*Ψ
2008-09-24 21:02:51

of course :)
as far as i know, the dianhydride won’t DISSOLVE in anything else ;)

Comment by Uncle Al
2008-09-25 11:05:40

Hot DEET, molten benzophenone; methanesulfonic acid plus P2O5 (lower viscosity than H2SO4), maybe MeCN/TFA. How much worse can it be than metal phthalocyanines?

Comment by Ψ*Ψ
2008-09-25 19:26:45

well, molten imidazole too.
ACN/TFA may be worth a shot for glassware cleaning–it would at least go through a frit much faster. might try it :)

Comment by John Fetzer
2008-09-26 07:35:46

ADN/TFA hydrolyzes some into HCN, so make sure you do not whiff any vapors.

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Comment by Davejac
2008-09-24 21:52:58

It’s pretty. Much more so than those damn sugars of mine.

Comment by Will
2008-09-24 22:49:09

Very pretty indeed.

 
 
Comment by excimer
2008-09-25 00:53:57

My favorite solvent is carbon disulfide. Did I say favorite? I meant holy fuck that shit smells terrible.

Comment by John Fetzer
2008-09-25 08:21:02

I thought your favorite was boiling pyrene.

Comment by excimer
2008-09-25 09:26:27

No, that’s actually my favorite. CS2 is my least favorite. Boiling pyrene is so awesome I makes me crap my pants.

Comment by John Fetzer
2008-09-25 10:23:54

What response is beyond that? If you knew Max Zander, you’d like it even more. Think an eminent German scientist who sounds exactly like Dr. Strangelove. I guess that would be Cherman zientist.

Comment by davejac
2008-09-25 19:22:03

How awesome would it be to have a strangelove-esque supervisor… (sigh)

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Comment by Hap
2008-09-25 09:51:56

I did a selective hydrolysis of a cyanobenzamide to the corresponding carboxylic acid in grad school – starting material, neat sulfuric acid, heat it up, pour on ice. It worked pretty well, which is better than lots of my chemistry.

Yours is prettier, though. If my reactions had color, something went wrong.

Comment by excimer
2008-09-25 11:37:41

Pechmann condensations to make coumarins are typically done in neat sulfuric acid. Plus, your products are always glowy!

Comment by Hap
2008-09-25 13:15:54

I kept trying to selectively alkylation an ethylene glycol oligomer, and DMSO/KOH was recommended as an effective system. The solution turned yellow, but since I had no idea how to get my stuff out of DMSO, I was hosed (even if I actually had the correct product).

Other people in lab made similar colors to the picture for crystal studies. Very pretty bricks – orange and neon red, but I have no idea what they dissolved in. Powder X ray diffraction, here we come…

 
 
 
Comment by John Fetzer
2008-09-25 10:28:36

Once upon a time I did HPLC, actually size-exclusion chromatography on various porous glass beads, of a nylon derivative and concentrated sulfuric was the mobile phase. Everything except those glass beads (as the column packing) was teflon lines or some special passivated alloy. Luckily that project only lasted a few months.

Comment by psi*psi
2008-09-25 16:18:41

so viscous! that COULDN’T have been fun…

 
 
Comment by Chip
2008-09-25 11:30:12

Favorite solvent — what a great question! How about sodium in liquid ammonia?

Comment by Chip
2008-09-25 11:32:26

Sorry — that’s more of a favorite solution…fun with electrons…

 
 
Comment by milkshake
2008-09-25 14:33:51

I have done couple of cyclizations in conc sulfuric acid myself and some of them – isatin formation – were just as pretty as yours.

The list of solvents that dissolve everything should include triflic acid – it is expensive from Aldrich but the 3M company sells it by liter reasonably priced.

Also if you ever dump sulfuric acid reaction on ice and need to netralise the acid, use conc ammonia – much lesser exotherm than with NaOH or KOH, and you also wont have problems with crystals growing in your mix (KHSO4 and Na2SO4 decahydrate are quite poorly soluble at 0C)

Comment by excimer
2008-09-25 15:03:58

Apparently 3M doesn’t sell triflic acid anymore?

Comment by milkshake
2008-09-25 15:23:02

Oh well, my info was so dated – from the end of the last cenury infact.

I doubt perfluorobutanesulfonic acid is as useful as TfOH, for superacid applications done in neat TfOH, Olah style. And it is expensive.

 
Comment by j.
2008-09-25 23:41:50

IIRC, 3M’s TfOH didn’t even have the name of the compound on the bottle…just some formula number. Still, it was quality stuff, and the wooden crates the bottles came in made for nice footstools for the little labmates.

 
 
 
Comment by excimer
2008-09-25 15:05:15

Apropos of nothing: kitteh!!1one

funny-pictures-cat-is-sleeping-on-the-computer-monitor-as-per-instructions.jpg

Comment by Hap
2008-09-25 16:08:24

There’s always time for kittehs, but, huh?

Comment by excimer
2008-09-25 18:02:29

Mostly a test of the image comment plugin. Which now everyone can use. Also, kitteh!!111one

Comment by Hap
2008-09-26 10:08:37

Well, I don’t have to worry about that – images (at least from unapproved sources) call the wrath of the demon Websense.
No kittehs and cheezburgers for me.

 
 
 
Comment by The Chemist
2008-09-25 16:41:29

You dissolve kittehs in solvent?

Probably makes for a very cationic solution.

*Buh-DUM-Bump!*

Thank you, I’ll be here all week!

Comment by Ψ*Ψ
2008-09-25 19:28:15
Comment by The Chemist
2008-09-25 20:29:07

It’s official: You can find ANYTHING on the Internets.

Comment by milkshake
2008-09-27 01:02:41

but when you do nobody can hear your scream

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Comment by Chip
2008-09-26 16:49:11

That would be a catastrophe!

 
 
 
Comment by Reverend J
2008-09-25 18:25:47

Oooooooooh Shiny!

 
Comment by brian
2008-09-26 18:52:31

how do you purify your neat sulfuric?

Comment by Ψ*Ψ
2008-09-26 20:43:27

i don’t :)
why?

 
Comment by milkshake
2008-09-27 01:00:39

the commercial H2SO4 is crap. Before use you have to filter it carefully through a paper filter. If this does not remove the color you just add one spoon of potassium permanganate.

Comment by Liquidcarbon
2008-09-27 05:24:58

This is normally followed by distillation under increased pressure.

 
Comment by Micha
2008-12-19 11:07:17

Ave!

I hope it was only a joke with that sulfuric acid being filtered through a paper filter :)

BTW, I am working on perylene brickdust too. Ψ*Ψ, did you brominate the stuff pictured above?

Greets :)

Micha

 
 
 
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